tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3300947294999806492.post5414358340066801886..comments2023-11-22T05:26:44.399-05:00Comments on Crossing the Lines: Quick Note on the History of Urban PlanningSteve Stofkahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14825368520377993845noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3300947294999806492.post-22984765890471285432011-09-29T22:27:41.594-04:002011-09-29T22:27:41.594-04:00Remember, the Radiant City's Corbusier's. ...Remember, the Radiant City's Corbusier's. I feel that Nolen's efforts are comparable to (and contemporaneous with) Howard's British efforts. Howard has, of course, lent the name to that particular movement.<br /><br />When I talk about "landscape urbanism" I am specifically talking about the avant-gardist movement of Charles Waldheim, Michael Corner, and some others--which formed as an academic response to New Urbanism and is rather more vacuous than the vernacular response (traditional urbanism). Even so, this landscape urbanism is unabashedly contemporary.Steve Stofkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14825368520377993845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3300947294999806492.post-40646776710195345932011-09-29T10:24:07.960-04:002011-09-29T10:24:07.960-04:00Didn't John Nolen's landscape urbanism pre...Didn't John Nolen's landscape urbanism predate the Radiant City by 25 years?uwes98https://www.blogger.com/profile/09851182387500129992noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3300947294999806492.post-5103438908220836562011-09-25T11:01:10.752-04:002011-09-25T11:01:10.752-04:00When I think of "decongestion" I'm t...When I think of "decongestion" I'm thinking primarily about Howard and Mumford. Le Corbusier's Radiant City was something else, and new, and radical, that was melded, by architects, builders, and traffic engineers, with decongestionalists' ideas of the city to form the postwar city (suburbs and towers-in-parks). Mumford didn't much like towers-in-parks--he favored garden apartments--and he <i>especially</i> disliked the way regional planning was taken out of the postwar city (since strong regional planning was a key point he espoused).<br /><br />...Which, incidentially, is why I suggest that Landscape Urbanism is nostalgia for two sources: Olmstead and the Radiant City.Steve Stofkahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14825368520377993845noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3300947294999806492.post-1258333401480684112011-09-24T23:32:55.775-04:002011-09-24T23:32:55.775-04:00I'm flattered to make your list as an exponent...I'm flattered to make your list as an exponent of traditional urbanism, though I've tried to avoid being labeled as "nostalgic" as much as possible by focusing on economics and land use issues rather than romanticizing the medieval city (in spite of medieval Eppingen running across the top of the blog). For a literalist interpretation of the "castle town" idea, check out Brandevoort in the Netherlands, a Rob Krier project, where the developers actually constructed a moat and mock-17th century fortification around the town.<br /><br />I mean to ask, though, are you including modernism itself under the decongestion heading? The modernists were certainly self-conscious anti-nostalgists in architecture, and the city designed around the automobile is a new concept if nothing else.Charlie Gardnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07317335121565650040noreply@blogger.com